Sunday, May 4, 2008

Samlesbury part 4 (Thomas and 2 roads to Canada) - last updated March 25, 2009

8. Thomas: (b. 1778) was a butcher. On Feb 2, 1801 he married Barbara Hawksworth in Ilkey, Yorkshire. Together they had 8 children. I have been able to trace events for six of the children (Catherine b.1814, John b.1811, Martha, Mary (b.1801), Helen (b.1806) and Thomas b.1808), but have had no luck for the other two (William b. 1810, and Robert b. 1807 (died young). This is also the point where Barbara becomes a popular first name for girls in this line. Prior to this Barbara was a very rare name for Hubbersteys.

Catherine: Catherine married a James Kenrick (Kendrick) in 1839. By the 1861 census they were living on York Street in West Derby where James was a Vinegar warehouseman. They had 5 children (John, Richard, Elizabeth, Robert, and Joseph).

The oldest son John (b.1844, d. 1893) married Jane Tyrer in 1866. At the time of the 1881 census John was also a Vinegar Warehouseman and with Jane had had 3 children (John, Robert, and Alice).

By the 1891 census Catherine and James were living with their daughter Elizabeth, son Joseph and grandson John (b. 1867) and granddaughter Alice (b.1873), apparently the children of John and Jane above.

Here is where it gets interesting. In 1898, Thomas Grundy Hubberstey (who would be the grandson of Thomas (b.1808) - see below) marries an Alice Jane Kenrick (who may be the grand daughter of Catherine (b.1814).) The Alice Jane Kenrick that he marries is from Liverpool, with the same birth year as John and Jane's Alice. Or, another way of more clearly looking at it, the great grandson of Thomas and Barbara may have married the great granddaughter of Thomas and Barbara.

Martha: Martha married George Clarkson in 1831 (listed as Hubbersby). I have found records of three children, Barbara (b.1835), Mary (b.1840) and William (b.1832).

Helen married a Charles Kenrick (maybe related to Catherine's husband Joseph Kenrick). They had numerous children, 8 by my count - Barbara, Thomas, Ellen, John F., Charles, Edmund, Ruth and Elizabeth.

Mary married Seth Walmsley. I have located references to two children, William and Alice.

John: John married Mary Bradley (b. 1816) in 1838 and they too had 5 children. They were Thomas (b. 1847), William Bradley (b.1843 d.1895), Barbara (b.1842), Mary (b.1854 d.1872 at age 18) and Robert (b.1852).

Daughter Barbara married a George Nurton in 1864.

Son Thomas married Jane(t)? from Scotland and had 2 children (John 1873 and Mary Agnes 1876) and likely Janet (b.1882). His son John appears to have married a Dorothy Pym and had one child, Janet (b.1895) who appears to have married a Robert Haworth in 1916. It also looks like Thomas remarried later to an Annie (they are listed on the 1901 census as Hubberstoy).

Son William Bradley was a grocer/beer retailer. He first married Elizabeth Agnes Dove with whom he appears to have had 5 children (at least 2 of whom died very young). He then married Eleanor Hartley and had one more child (Minnie). By 1901, his son Frederick (then 26) was a cotton winder living with his married sister ( Mary Bird) and her family.

Son Robert was a plumber and married a Margaret Ann Wilson in 1877. They had 4 children (Mary, John, Margaret Wilson and Robert). We will re-vist with son Robert in the next post as he heads to Canada.

Thomas: Thomas was also a butcher. He married Ann Postlewhite in 1839 and they had 4 children (Thomas, Barbara, John, and Robert). Ann died quite young (in 1855) and this meant that the family split up for a while. While Thomas married Julia Rabbitt and moved to Bury where they had 5 children, John and Robert were sent to live with relatives in Brindle. These relatives were the family of Robert and Ciciely Fazackerly. Barbara continued to live with Thomas until she married John Dickinson in 1864. Thomas eventually remarried (to a Catherine Pearson) in 1868. He died in 1876.

Son Thomas with Julia Rabbitt lived in Bury. Thomas was a gardener who apparently had quite a way with orchids. By 1901, their 3 daughters were unmarried. Catherine was working as a Cotton winder, and Rose and Annie were working as ladies tailors. Their son Thomas Edmund married Anna Maria Crosby and son Richard Herbert married Jane Morris (in 1901 he was a grocer's bookkeeper).

Son John (b.1841, d.1885) was also a butcher. He married Mary Elizabeth Grundy (d.1901) in 1865 and had 4 children; Thomas Grundy (b.1869), Ann (b.1868), John Anselm (b.1879) and James (b.1881). It is Thomas Grundy that married Alice Jane Kenrick in 1899 (see above).


Son Robert married Elizabeth Kershaw (b. 1844, d.1919) in 1866 in Whittle Le woods. They initially lived with her parents at Flash Green Farm in Brindle and then moved on to Bolton sometime after 1872. They had 5 children, the first of whom, Thomas William died at the age of three. The other children were Margaret Ann, Joseph, Barbara and Thomas William.

Robert died at age 37 in 1880 and Elizabeth eventually remarried to a Ralph Whittle. Coincidentally or not, both Barbara and Margaret Ann also married two brothers. Barbara married Wilfrid Whittle and Margaret Ann married John Whittle. Son Joseph met a rather untimely end:

On Saturday February 11th (1899), a man fell to his death from the top deck of a horse car. The man, Mr J.Hubberstey, a commercial traveler from Liverpool, boarded the car at Salford Bridge at 9:50p.m. and. according to the conductor, Thomas Rauner, was under the influence of drink ‘..though not so bad as he could not look after himself...’. The passenger sat at the back of the top deck for the journey up Preston New Road. When the car reached Dukes Brow it pulled up at the stop, at that point Mr Hubberstey stood up and according to a witness walking along Preston New Road, the car gave a ‘slight jerk’ as it started off again, and the deceased fell over the handrail of the steps and into the road. The driver, Issac Birtwistle, stated at the inquest that after he pulled up ‘..none of the horse gave a jerk...’ The jury at the inquest returned a verdict of ‘Accidental Death’






Pictured are my Dad (Bryan), his Mom (Dorothy Pemberton), his Dad (John Robert Hubberstey) and his grandmother (Margaret Berry). This was taken around 1937.

Son Thomas William (b. 1872, d.1931) married Margaret Berry (b.1874, d.1944) and they had 5 children (Thomas William, John Robert, Margaret, Annie, and Albert). John Robert was my grandfather and he worked in a cotton mil from the age of 12 until he finally retired at the age of 76 ... a staggering 64 years with one company. He married a Dorothy Pemberton and had 2 children (Dorothy and Bryan). Bryan is our other connection to Canada.

(Pictured above are, from left to right, Thomas William (my great grandfather), Dorothy May Pemberton (my grandmother), Allan McCann (husband of Annie), Annie Hubberstey, Hilda, and Albert (son of Thomas William).



More to come...

2 comments:

Lisa said...

I’ve been trying to find a connection with a Seth Walmsley from Preston with my family of Walmsleys. Is this the same Seth who married Mary?

GreeneTimes said...

Good question. I could only find their two children Alice and William and have not investigated further. Did they come up in your tree? Another alternative is dna tests. We do have some people in this line who have had their ancestry or 23 and me tests done, so that may prove something if there is a match.