Fun Stuff

Here are a few fun things that I have found or am working on:

1. Hubbersty Maddison Tweddell:

I have found a record for a Hubbersty Maddison Tweddell. That's right - "Hubbersty" as a first name. While I have found Hubbersty used as a middle name this is the only record I have of a Hubbersty as a first name.

Hubbersty Maddison Tweddell was born to Francis Tweddell and Ester Harrison (married 24 APR 1797 Saint Clement Danes, Westminster, London, England) on April 26, 1799 and christened 12 JUN 1799 at Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England. He married Augusta Mary Arntz on 22 NOV 1838 at the British Embassy Chapel, Paris, Seine, France! That also happends to be the only record I have for a Hubbersty getting married in Paris.

So where does this Hubbersty come from? There are a few clues. One is that his birth was in London around 1800 and the spelling is without the "e". This hints at it relating to the "london" line.

We had a Susannah Matthews marrying a Zachary Hubbersty in the late 1700's. Her brother John Matthews had a son named John Hubbersty Matthews, born Nov 11, 1796.

We also have a Francis Matthews Tweedle born 21 July 1796 Ayr, Scotland to Jacob Tweedle and Ann McTaggart. And if that isn't enough we also had a Francis Scotland Tweedale christened 04 DEC 1814 at Wells Street Scotch Church, Saint Marylebone, London, England.

It also seems that Francis Tweddell had another son, Francis, born 24 JUL 1800. This son (or possibly the father) looks to have married Ann ? and lived in France as we have a Henry Tweddell (b. 1828) and a Martin Fenwick Tweddell (b.1819) born in France in the late 1820's.

Getting back to Hubbersty Maddison Tweddell and Augusta Mary Arntz. They had three children Maj. Francis Tweedell, Jane Tweddell, and Julia Augusta Tweedell. .......

There is a connection somewhere.........

2. Cantrell-Hubbersty

There is this notice in the London Gazette with Queen Victoria authorizing Albert Cantrell Hubbersty to use Cantrell along with Hubbersty.

Whitehall, February 3, 1894.
THE Queen has been pleased to grant unto Albert Cantrell Hubbersty, of Felley Abbey, in the union of Basford, in the county of Nottingham, Esquire, late Major and Honorary Lieutenant-Colonel, 3rd Battalion, Derbyshire Regiment, Lieutenant - Colonel Commanding and Honorary Colonel (1892), 1st Battalion, Nottinghamshire (Robin Hood) Rifle Volunteers, in the Commission of the Peace for the counties of Derby and Nottingham, Her Royal licence and authority that he and his issue may take and henceforth use the surname of Cantrell in addition to and before that of Hubbersty, and that he and they may bear the arms of Cantrell quarterly with their own family arms; such arms being first exemplified according to the laws of arms, and recorded in the College of Arms, otherwise the said- Royal licence and permission to be void and of none effect: And to command that the said Royal concession and declaration be recorded in Her Majesty's said College of Arms.
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The coat of arms is a mix of Hubbersty and Cantrell. The Hubberstey part of the inscription is "Propositi Tenax" which, for those whose Latin is lacking, means "Firm of Purpose"!

Garstang to Samlesbury?

After initially looking for the oldest Hubberstey records in the Kendal area and in the Yealand Conyers area I finally got around to looking in the Garstang area, an area much closer to the Preston-Blackburn-Chorley area where most current Hubbersteys come from. There are about 40 entries in the Garstang parish records, mostly from the period of 1570-1650, which makes them at least as old as the other records I had been looking at. In amongst those records though were a few very interesting findings.

1. On Oct 13, 1727 we have the burial of Robert Hubberstey of Brindle (the Robert Hubberstey that married Mary Culcheth and is our oldest traceable ancestor on the Samlesbury line). He had died on October 10, 1727. The fact that he was from Brindle, but was buried back in Garstang strongly suggests that he originated from Garstang.

2. On November 22, 1706 we have the burial of Dorothy Hubarstee of Forton (just north of Garstang), a widow. The reason this is interesting is that Dorothy was the name given to one of Robert and Mary's children, and the name given to one of William (son of Robert) and Mary's children. So it is possble that Dorothy may have been related to Robert (perhaps his mother). Dorothy is otherwise a rather rare Hubberstey name.

3. The oldest Garstang record was for the burial of a James Hubberstie on April 14, 1571. Almost all of the records from this time spell Hubberstey as "Hubberstie".

4. It is quite fascinating to see the progression through the ages of the same male names in the Hubberstey line. In Garstang it was just about always John, Robert or James, with an occasional William.

Unfortunately, most of the records from Garstang are from the 1500's. The only records from the 1600's are

Burial: Ja: Hubberstie de Weddikar 14 Dec 1638

Marriage: P. Edmund Leland Blacksmith and Anne Hubberstie of Nether Wirsdale, spinster, in Market Place 17 Apr 1656 and 24 Apr 1656 and 01 May 1656

Burial: Will: Huberstee de Wiersdale 01 Apr 1674

Burial: Izabell Relict. James Pateson nuper uxor Jo: Hubberstie de Longmore 24 Jul 1634

Burial: Robert Hubberstie of Nether Wirsedale, Milnewright 24 Jan 1656

Burial: John Hubberstie de Longe More 27 Mar 1618

Burial: Robert Hubberstie de Wyersdell 05 Feb 1629

Christening: Anne [?] d. of William Hubberstie de Wyersdall 20 May 1630

Burial: Jenet Hubbersty 08 Sep 1616

Marriage: M. Edmund Leland and Anne Hubberstie [Publication on 3 p. 14A] before Will: Patten, maior. W.: Rich: Blackburne John Baines 24 May 1656

Burial: Jane w. of William Hubberstee of Wiersdale 25 May 1679


From looking at the records it does definitely seem that there was a Hubberstey family in Wyersdale (or one of its many spellings) for some time. Whether is was related to Robert Hubberstey (Brindle) we may never know.

There is an interesting history of the Catholic church in Garstang over the years - HERE.

Here is a short excerpt that also talks about Wyersdale:

By 1767, de facto religious tolerance had evolved to such a point that it was reported to the Bishop in Chester by the then vicar of Garstang that there were about 837 Catholics in his parish and that they felt a need for a church of their own; this was in advance of the Catholic Reform Act of 1778 which allowed the building of Catholic chapels, though restricted in design and use.
Bequests of two main benefactors, one of whom was grateful for his Lancashire education - probably at the "Dame School" at Fernyhalgh, founded by the legendary Alice Harrison, who for over 50 years ran a Catholic school at Shrine of Our Lady of Fernyhalgh - were available for the support of a Catholic Church in Garstang.
Since 1655 there had been a priest in Nether Wyresdale. Records available show that a "Garstang & Wyresdale Mission" has certainly existed form 1692. Now, Garstang was to get its own Catholic Church, soon to be followed by a school.

Was Isabella Weaton the same person as Isabella Waiton

Let's start with what we know:

1. John Hubberstey married an Isabel "Eaton" October 24, 1780.

2. John Hubberstey and Isabel "Waiton" had three children baptised at St. Mary Newhouse R.C., Newsham. They were Robert (1787), Maria (1789) and Elizabeth (1792).

3. John Hubberstey and Isabel "Weaton" had three children baptised at St. Mary's R.C. Fernyhalgh. They were William (1794), Isabella (1799), and Thomas (1803).

4. Waiton and Weaton are both very rare Lancashire names. In fact, Waiton is basically unheard of. By the 1841 census there were only 6 people in all of England with that surname. Even Eaton was somewhat rare itself at the time (outside of Bedford), and appears to sometimes have been spelt "Heaton".

5. Robert, despite being christened at St. Mary Newhouse, had his children (with Jane Trelfall) christened at St. Mary's in Fernyhalgh. Fernyhalgh is also where Thomas and Alice (Taberner) had their children christened.

Conclusion:

The more I look at it the more it seems quite likely that Isabel Waiton and Isabel Weaton were in fact the same person, and that the two lines that I have written about should in fact only be one line.

Consistent spelling was definitely an issues in those days, especially from one priest to the next, so it is entirely plausible that upon switching churches that Isabel's name would have been spelled differently. The fact that Robert eventually has his children baptised at Fernyhalgh definitely adds more weight to the conclusion.

What we can not say though is whether the Isabel Eaton married in 1780 is the same person. For that to be the case there would need to be a reason that there were no children recorded for the first 8 years of marriage and then 6 for the next 16 years meaning that that at the time of the last birth Isabel would have been quite old (for childbearing). Of course there may have been children born that were not recorded as the records at this time were sketchy.

Afterthought:

With only a few Hubbersteys in a small area it is sometimes tempting to speculate about relationships, even if we don't have records. Here is one such speculation.

John Hubberstey and Elizabeth Horn were married in Woodplumpton Nov 5th, 1782. They then had 4 children baptised at Mowbreck or the Willows R.C. Wesham between 1784 and 1793. After that they had 6 more children baptized at Saint Mary Newhouse RC in Newsham between 1795 and 1806. What is interesting is that they arrived at St. Mary Newsham just after John and Isabella Waiton appear to have left. Perhaps there was a family farm/property that was being passed on.

One of the children of John and Elizabeth (John - b. 1788) seems to have married Dorothy Newsham (b. 1788) and after having lived in Claughton on Brock (where son James - b.1813 was born), moved back to Newsham where son Robert was born in 1815. James shows up in the 1851 census as a Roman Catholic priest living in Northumberland with his mother, and Robert shows up in the 1861 census as a Roman Catholic priest living in Euxton.

We also have another daughter (of John and Elizabeth Horn), Isabella b. 1804, who looks to have married a Charles Farnsworth in 1826. That line actually leads all the way to current descendants in Australia.

Is James (of James and Anne Swarbrick) the son of Robert and Mary Watson?

In a couple of posts on this blog I have alluded to the possibility that the James/Anne Swarbrick line may be part of the Samlesbury line.

I have been able to trace the paths of all of the children of Robert and Mary Watson, with the exception of James. The theory is that James was the son of Robert Hubberstey and Mary Watson and the brother of Richard (b.1788), Edmund (b.1782), Thomas (b.1778), John (b.1774) Robert, Catherine and William. This post will look at the evidence that I have so far.

1. The Grimbaldeston connection:

In 1851 Richard and John (both unmarried) were living at Hubberstey Fold. By 1861, a family of Grimbaldestons was living with Richard at Hubberstey Fold. The Grimbaldestons were John and Mary and their children. The connection is that Mary was daughter of James Hubberstey and Anne Swarbrick. So it would make sense if they were living with Richard (and in the census Richard is listed as a landed proprietor) that there would be some relationship. If James had been Richard's brother, then Mary would have been Richard's niece.

In 1861, Richard then 83, was still living with the Grimbaldestons, but at a different location, again implying some kind of ongoing relationship.

2. Salford

In the 1861 census, Robert Hubberstey (son of James) was running an inn at #11 Salford Street, Blackburn. At the same time John Hubberstey, son of Thomas Hubberstey and Barbara Hawksworth, was living at #82 Salford street with his family. Thomas was also a son of Robert and Mary, so this would make Robert and John first cousins, if James had been Thomas' brother.

The remaining is mystery is the other John Hubberstey that was living with Robert's family at the inn. Aged 30 and born in Broughton, I have not been able to pin down his relationship. The closest match seems to be John, son of Thomas and Alice (Taberner) see post. Although this line is not directly related we do see that later on 2 other children of Thomas and Alice end up living next door to Robert (a decendant of Wlliam (son of Robert and Mary) and Deborah), again making a tangental link to the Samlesbury line.

3. Naming the children:

James and Anne had three children (that we know about) and they named them Robert, Maria, and Helen. The source of Robert and Mary is obvious, but Helen is not, although Thomas and Barbara (Hawksworth) also named a daughter Helen, thereby possibly adding one more small clue.

If we look at possible brother William (who married Deborah Whittle) we see similar naming a patterns. James and Anne's first son (b.1820) was named Robert. William's first son (b.1823) was named Robert. James' first daughter (b.1821) was named Helen, but his second daughter (b.1823) was named Mary as was William's daughter born 6 months later in 1824. William's second son was also named James. The two families also appeard to live quite close by each other.

4. Helen.

As mentioned in the point above, James and Ann had a daughter Helen. In the 1841 census we had a Helen Hubberstey (age 15) living with Catherine Teebay (aged 65). Catherine Teebay is very likely Catherine Hubberstey (daughter of Robert and Mary) that married George Teebay in 1806. If it is a match then Helen would have been Catherine's niece.

The problem is that Helen's birthdate was 1821 (per baptismal records) which should have made her 20, not15. Later at the 1851 census Helen (age 25, born Fulwood) is living with Mary (age 24, born Fulwood) in Preston where both were dressmakers, so the age is consistent from census to census, but not with the birth records (neither is Mary's for that matter, which is also off by 3 years). Either we don't have the right match, or the girls have "adjusted " their ages for some reason. I tend to think the match is correct because they list their birth place as "Fulwood" and are the only Hubbersteys to do so at that time (along with brother Robert - who does list his age correctly).

5. Descendants of James and Anne eventually ended up in Blackpool and one of their sons emigrated to America (John Joseph). I actually heard about this from my father who told me about a family legend of a Hubberstey going to America, striking it rich and having a huge farm. As my line comes from Thomas a possible brother of James, there is again a circumstantial connection.

6. In Blackpool another Hubberstey family (descendents of another possible brother - Robert) knew the decendents of James and Anne, again implying some sort of connection.

Issues:

1. If this was the James in question then he would have been a bit old to be getting married, born in 1780 the first child was born in 1820. That said, William was probably even older when he fathered his three children.

2. There was another James Hubberstey, the same age, christened at Fernyhalgh (1780), which is also where the children of James and Anne were christened. This James was in turn the son of James Hubberstey and Joanna Whittle, who were the first Hubbersteys to appear in the Fernyhalgh records. James (married to Joanna Whittle) could have been the cousin of Robert (married to Mary Watson) - both grandsons of Robert and Mary (Culcheth). So the actual link between the lines may be one generation further back.

Conclusion:

I still don't have adequate confirmation, but circumstantially it certainly appears there is some sort of relationship.

The Hubberstey / Hubbersty Blog

Welcome to my Hubberstey / Hubbersty blog.

As a Hubberstey I had always been curious about our family history but I had never had the time or the tools to delve into it very much. Luckily I now have some time, and the internet provides some wonderful tools, so I have been able to try and consolidate all the information that I have found into one place.

So far I have been using this blog as the place to post what I find. Obviously a cool web site would be easier to navigate and organize, but for now I am putting up with the inconveniences of the blog format because ... well ... it's free, and not all that bad.

Unlike most genealogy where one tries to track primarily ones own ancestors, I thought that it might be fun to try to track ALL Hubbersteys, since there are not that many of us. I guess I was hoping to see if all of us were traceable back to one common line.

In a nutshell, here is what I have found so far: There were about 145 Hubbersteys (and variant spellings) listed in the 1901 UK census. I have been able to track all but a couple of these back along a limited number of lines, some as far back as the late 1600's, but most to the late 1700s.

In total I have found 8 lines, but I suspect that this may eventually reduce to 6 lines. Two of the lines are Protestant lines that seem to come from the Kendal/Underbarrow/Fallen Yew area. These lines (I call them Wirksworth and London) have only a few members. Almost all of the rest of the Hubbersteys alive in 1901 (and therefore almost all of the Hubbersteys around today) can be traced to 6 lines coming from the area around Preston (in an area from North Preston down to Chorley, over to Blackburn, and back including Brindle and Samlesbury) an area known back in time as a relatively safe place for Catholics. And as I mentioned above, I suspect this will be reduced to only 4 lines.

In the posts on this blog I have tried to trace these different lines and thereby help anyone who is trying to trace their Hubberstey family history.

A list of all the current posts is HERE

A list of current issues I am working on is HERE

If you need any help navigating the information on this blog, or if you have some information you can share, or if you can correct anything that I may have gotten wrong please e-mail me at chrishubberstey@google.com.

A Hubberstey/Hubbersty overview

I originally put together the information on this blog as I found it. Unfortunately this has made things a little bit disorganized. So, for this post, I want to provide a quick overview of what I have found.

History: The first records of Hubberstey that I can find are in the 1200's. From that time we have evidence of at least three possible concentrations of Hubbersteys. Area 1 was near Cockerham, south of Lancaster in an area called Hobyrstaih, Hobirstad or Hobyrstad. Area 2 was near Yealand Conyers (north of Lancaster). Area 3 was in the Kendal area, even further north. This is where we find Hubbersty Head and references to Ubberstede.

Spellings: Even though there are not many Hubbersteys there certainly have been a lot of ways to spell Hubberstey. We can start with the versions from above Ubberstede, Hobyrstaih, Hobirstad, and Hobyrstad and then add Hubberstie, Huberche (a latin spelling), Hubbersty, Huberstay, Hubbersley, and Habberstay just to name a few! So if you are ever checking old records (including the census) remember to check spelling variations.

Religion: By the 1700s there seems to have been a split between religions with the Catholic "Hubberstey"s being located in an area around North Preston and Protestant "Hubbersty"s being in an area around Kendal. Of course the split by religion is not consistent as several times we have Hubbersteys in the Preston area spelling Hubbersty, although we do not see Kendal "Hubbersty"s varying their spelling. So sometimes spelling works as a guide and sometimes it does not.

Kendal Lines: There were two "Hubbersty" lines that I traced out of the Kendal area. One was from the Fallen Yew/Underbarrow area, and the other possibly from Yealand Conyers, but ending up in Wirksworth, via Haygarth, Docker. Ultimately however these lines seem to have petered out. Because I do not have all current records it is possible that these lines may still be active, but at the time of the 1911 census there were only a few members left, and my last confirmed record for either line is from 1958.

Preston Lines: From the late 1700's I believe it is possible to trace all current "Hubberstey" or "Hubbersty"s (subject to my note under Kendal) to only a few lines coming out of the area around North Preston. The lines are:

1. Samlesbury: This line can be traced from Robert Hubberstey and Mary Culcheth in the Samlesbury area (just east of Preston) from around the early 1700's. I am all but certain that this line also includes another line that I have called John Hubberstey/Anne Swarbrick. I just have not fully completed establishing the link, although new information that I have received strongly suggests that the link is there.

2. Bambers: In the early 1800's, 2 sisters (Margaret and Alice) married two "Hubberstey"s (James and John). The two families gave many of their children the same names indicating a close relationship. It is possible, but not confirmed that the two Hubbersteys were brothers. If they were then this is one line, if not then it is two.

3. John and Isabella Weaton: Also from the North Preston area we have the Weaton/Waiton line. I originally had this as two separate lines (because of the different spelling of Isabella's surname), but I am pretty sure that this was in fact one single line. Update: New information that I have received says that this line is actually a very early branch from the Samlesbury line. If this is correct, and it looks to be, this narrows our tree even further.


A Further Note on the "Hubbersty" spelling:

The more I look into it, the more it seems clear that almost all of the remaining people who use the "Hubbersty" spelling come from one offshoot of a Preston line that ended up in Warrington in the early 1900's. The original users of the "Hubbersty" spelling, the two lines out of Kendal, appear to have now ceased to exist.

Rose Alice Hubberstey (b.1873) , a daughter of Richard Hubberstey and Elizabeth Horn (Waiton/Weaton line) had two sons (Ignatius and William Patrick) before she married Thomas McCann in 1907. These two sons, and all their offspring have used the "Hubbersty" spelling, and account for almost all the current "Hubbersty"s that I can find. This is also another case where children born to a Hubberstey female, who was not married at the time, have actually carried on the Hubberstey name. In fact, there would be a lot less Hubbersteys today without these not infrequent additons from unmarried Hubberstey women.


More links?: The ultimate question of course is are these three lines connected even further back? I'd have to say there is a good chance because it is quite likely that they all originally came from the Cockerham cluster just north of Garstang. Unfortunately the records going back further are not always the best. Ultimately, once the cost comes down, it might be interesting to do some DNA analysis to test out the hypothesis.

If you think the DNA link is far fetched, there is already one company offering a discount to Hubbersteys for DNA testing related to research that they are doing on the original Quakers (the Valiant 60 which included two Hubberstys). So...who knows what they will find.

A Game: In our family we played a little game with a picture I found on the internet. I looked at it and immediately knew who the male Hubberstey was. Then I asked our family members and several other Hubbersteys. Every one guessed correctly...so I am assuming there may just be a "Hubberstey" look. Click on the picture to get a bigger shot, then guess away.

A roll forward of Hubberstey males under 40 at the 1901 census - Part 3

This Part 3 (Robert to William)
Part 1 is here (Aloysius to James)
Part 2 is here (John to Richard)

Each entry starts with a line that includes the first name, place of residence (1901), birthplace, birth year, and lineage.

Lineages are numbered as:

1. Samlesbury

2. Wirksworth

3. London

4. John Hubberstey/Isabella Waiton

5. John Hubberstey/Isabella Weaton

6. John Hubberstey and Anne Swarbrick

7. Whittingham (M) – Margaret Bamber

8. Whittingham (A) – Alice Bamber

Robert

Preston

Preston

1900

8

Per a post on Ancestry.co.uk Robert died in the 1970's with no children.

Robert

Preston

Preston

1889

1

Robert was the son of Robert Hubberstey and Sara Booth Woods. He married Margaret Waterhouse in 1922 and they had a son Peter in 1924 in Blackpool. Peter married Margaret Bolton and their children are living Hubbersteys.

Robert

Blackburn

Blackburn

1885

1

Robert emigrated to Canada and married Christina Dingsdale in Fernie, BC in 1909. They had three children, Irene, Robert (b.1910) and Christopher W. (b.1923). All three children married and had children themselves.

Robert

Blackpool

Blackburn

1880

6

It looks like Robert headed to South Africa. I have found several records of an R. Hubberstey b.1880/1881 taking trips to South Africa (1902, 1923, 1928, 1937). Since there are Hubbersteys in South Africa, this is the likely connection.

Robert

Fulwood

Hothersall

1876

1

Robert appears to have married Ester Hannah Worsely in Preston in 1906. There were 5 children; Robert (b.1907), Gertrude (b.1908), William (b.1909), Frederick Gerard (b.1910) and Hilda (b. 1919). The first 4 children were born in Alston and Hilda was born in Walton-le-dale. Gertrude died in 1911, aged 3.

Again using the unusual names we see Frederick Gerard marrying Annie Bamford in Preston in 1936. There are possible marriages for Robert and William but nothing likely enough to mention.

Thomas

Preston

Preston

1897

8

Thomas was the son of Ignatius and Susannah. There is only one record of a Thomas Hubberstey marrying in this period, however there are several potential Thomas', so its hard to make a fit.

Thomas H

Preston

Preston

1871

5

Thomas H. married Sophie Noblett in 1899. There is a record of a son, William, born in 1902. However there is also a record of a death the same year, in the same district, of a William. By the 1911 census Sophie is listed alone, and there is no record of Thomas.

Thomas W

Bolton

Bolton

1898

1

Thomas William was my great-grandfather. He had 5 children with Margaret Berry. They were John Robert, Thomas William, Margaret, Annie and Albert. On the male side of the chart, only John Robert (my line) has surviving members. Thomas William and his wife did not have children and Albert's 2 daughters both died without children. Margaret married but did not have children, while Annie also married and had 2 daughters.

William

Preston

Broughton

1871

4

William married Jane Moon in 1901. There were at least 5 children; Margaret (b.1902), Ellen (b. 1905), Mary (b.1907), John (B.1910) and William (b. 1912). We can see the carrying forward of names in the family here as well. Margaret was William's mother's name, William was his father's name, John was his uncle's name, and Mary was his sister's name. Unfortunately the names are too common to try and track another generation without some help.

Luckily there is some more information. From a family tree on ancestry.co.uk we have William (b. 1912) marrying Freda Isabella Little (1915-1985). They had a son James Hubberstey (b. Dec 31, 1935 in Blackburn, d.Sept 22, 2000). James had 2 daughters, both living Hubbersteys.

William

Preston

Preston

1900

7

We have two Williams in a row born in 1900 (and another 2 born in 1902) making it a bit hard to track the next generation, especially as all were born in Preston. However after checking the death records it appears that both Williams born in 1902, died in their first year, thereby leaving us with only 2 surviving Williams from this period. There were however three Williams that married in the expected marriage period to Emily Elizabeth Lynch (1922), Margaret Lawson (1927), and Freda Elizabeth Little (1935) (Note Freda married William (b.1912) son of William (b.1871)..see previous entry) . At this stage it is not possible to figure out who married whom.

This William was the son of William and Ann (Shuttleworth). It appears that they also had an earlier son William (B.1897) that must have died quite young.

I have found a record that indicates that William died in WW1.

William Hubberstey

Son of William and Ann Hubberstey of 39 Lower Bank Road, Fulwood

Occupation: Student at Ushaw College, Durham

Private G/84214 3rd Battalion Royal Fusiliers (London Regiment) transferred from Royal Air Force Cadets

Died 28 August 1918 (PRH says 24-28) aged 18, after going missing at Cambrai

William

Preston

Preston

1900

8

See note for William B.1900 above.

William E

Preston

Preston

1895

8

Per a post on Ancestry.co.uk, William Edward married Theresa McManus but they did not have


any children.

But we also have a family tree on ancestry.co.uk that shows a William Hubberstey (b.1895 in Preston) marrying a Beatrice Alexandria Pender (b.1896, d.1984) in early 1918 in Scilly and having 2 children, Frederick (b.Aug 17, 1918 in Cornwall) and Rodney (b.1920 Isles of Scilly, Cornwall). Per the tree, Frederick married Gladys Ramsey and had 3 sons (living Hubbersteys) and Rodney married Vera Fox.

It appears possible that William was one of the Williams born in 1900 (see notes above).

WJC

Tollerton

Alfreton, Derbyshire

1878

2

From the Wirksworth page, we have: "there is the marriage of a William Philip Cantrel to a Phyllis Hermione Mary Bethel (b.1880) on February 7, 1923. It is not clear if William Philip was the son of Albert, or perhaps his brother Philip. What is interesting about the marriage however is the background of the bride. She was the daughter of William Bethel and the Hon. Mairi Myrtle Willoughby, who in turn was the daughter of Henry Willoughby, 8th Baron, Middleton."

A roll forward of Hubberstey males under 40 at the 1901 census - Part 2

This Part 2 of the roll forward (John to Richard).
Part1: Aloysius to James is Here
Part 3. Robert to William is Here

Each entry starts with a line that includes the first name, place of residence (1901), birthplace, birth year, and lineage.

Lineages are numbered as:

1. Samlesbury

2. Wirksworth

3. London

4. John Hubberstey/Isabella Waiton

5. John Hubberstey/Isabella Weaton

6. John Hubberstey and Anne Swarbrick

7. Whittingham (M) – Margaret Bamber

8. Whittingham (A) – Alice Bamber



Of the 45 Hubberstey males under 40 years of age at the time of the 1901 census, 9 were named John. Obviously this makes it a bit trickier to track each one. I'll start with the 4 Johns who had second names.

John R

Bolton

Bolton

1900

1

John Robert was my grandfather, and the son of Thomas William Hubberstey. He married Dorothy Pemberton and had 2 children. To everyone he was known as "Bob" Hubberstey and lived his life in and around Great Lever in Bolton where he worked in the mills from the age of 12 until he retired from the canteen at the mill when he was 76. He and Dorothy also ran a corner shop for a number of years.

John A

Blackburn

Livesy

1879

1

John Anselm was the brother of James Hubberstey (b.1881) and Thomas Grundy Hubberstey (b.1870). He married Agnes Snape in 1904 in Blackburn. The only birth record I have found is for a John A., born 1913.

It looks like some of the birth records have been updated and now we have a John Anselm born (in Darwen) in 1913, making it a better match. There is also an entry for a Wilfrid born 1908 in the same location, so he could be a brother. Further we have a John Anselm Hubberstey marrying a Doris Stones (or Gillett) in Darwen, Blackburn in 1946.

John Jone

Preston

Preston

1875

5

John is the brother of James Thomas. Like his brother he appears to have died in 1912. He may have been the John Joseph that married Mary Louisa Florence Bibby in 1904 in Preston, as there is a John and Florence in the 1911 census in Preston.

John Joseph

Blackpool

Blackburn

1886

6

John Joseph is very likely the John Hubberstey that went to America in 1910. See post HERE.

John

Blackburn

Blackburn

1882

1

Also working off of process of elimination we have John possibly marrying Ellen Taylor in Blackburn in 1908. There is a record of a Fred Hubberstey born in 1912 (mother's maiden name Taylor). Fred is a relatively unusual Hubberstey name, but we have seen it before in this line of the family.

See also the discussion of Frederick Hubberstey above (Part 1).

John

Preston

Preston

1891

7

John was the son of John (b.1862) - see below. He died at Ypres in 1914. There is an entry Here

John Hubberstey

Son of Councillor (later Alderman) John Hubberstey, solicitor, and Mrs Hubbertsey of 4 Lombard Terrace, Garstang Road

Occupation: Regular Soldier

Private 8141, “C” Company 2nd Battalion Scots Guards

Died 26 October 1914 aged 23

Menin Gate Panel 11

Other Details: Death Notices LDP 2 December 1914; PG 5 December 1914. Report PG 15 December 1914. Educated at St Bede’s College, Manchester and Preston Catholic College. Left in 1909 and worked in father’s office. Joined the Army in 1910 and went to Belgium with the first draft of Scots Guards. Killed by a shell at an exposed farmhouse during a heavy bombardment while the German Army tried to break through to Calais. Others were injured, mutilated and energised, but JH was said to be unmarked at the time of death. Contract with the Army should have expired in January 1915. Contributions to PWMF from Alderman H, Mrs H, William H, Robert H, James H at the above address.(H)

John

Preston

Preston

1890

8

John was the son of the brother (John) of the James Hubberstey that we think headed to America. Interestingly there is a record of a J Hubberstey, born 1890 going to Montreal, Canada in 1958 by boat (possibly on his way to the US).

By process of elimination again we need to consider the possibility that he married Sarah Hindle in Preston in 1917. (From 1901 to 1924 there are only 2 marriages listed for John Hubberstey). I have though not been able to find any birth records for this couple. Adding a bit of support to this idea is a trip by a Sarah Hubberstey (b.1895) to the USA in 1925 (from passenger lists).

John

Blackburn

Blackburn

1873

1

This one is also uncertain. John looks to have married a Dorothy Pym in 1894 and had a daughter Janet (b.1895). There was no record of his spouse on the 1901 census, though there is a death record for a Dorothy Hubberstey, age 39, in 1907.

As Janet is a very rare Hubberstey name, we can follow Janet and see a possible marriage to Robert Haworth in 1916 in Blackburn.

John

Preston

Preston

1862

7

John married Jane Ellen Gregson in 1885. More details HERE - See "John".

Joseph

Preston

Aston Under Lyme

1887

8

Again using process of elimination, we have Joseph likely having married Ann Moss in Preston in 1913, with a son, Joseph, being born in 1914. There is also a record of a Josephine being born in 1928.

Joseph

Bolton

Bolton

1877

1

Joseph was a bit of the black sheep of the family. He apparently died falling off the second level of a tram - story is Here.

Joseph

Preston

Preston

1872

7

Joseph married Ellen Graham in 1892. They had 4 children listed in the 1901 census including a son, William, B.1900. Subsequent to the census we have records of 4 more children: Winifred (b.1903), James (1908), Jessie (b.1910), and Theresa (b.1910).

Ralph

Preston

Preston

1868

7

I could not find any records related to Ralph.

Reuben

Preston

Preston

1877

8

We have Reuben Hubberstey marrying Alice Robinson in 1903. For the Hubbersteys that I have tracked in the post-1901 period, this couple had the most children, 7. They were John (b.1904), Ellen (b.1905), Mary Winifred (b.1907), Joseph (1910), Alice (b.1913), Robert Gerrard (b.1914) and Alice (b. 1920).

And, because I have only ever found one Robert Gerrard Hubberstey, it is very likely that Robert Gerrard married Margaret Waering in 1946 in Preston. By the same token it looks like Mary Winnifred married Lawrence James Butterill in Preston in the same year.

Richard

Preston

Preston

1863

8

Richard was married to Lucy Caroline Snelham, but I have not been able to find records of any children - except there were two records of births to a maiden name "Snailham" (Ellen b.1888, and Margaret b.1891) - which is possible, though they do not show up in the 1901 census. It looks like Richard died in Preston in 1907.

Richard H

Blackpool

Bury

1875

1

Richard Herbert married Jane Morris in 1903 in Old Flyde/Blackpool. We have records of 4 children: Arthur (b.1903), Thomas (b.1904), Alice Morris (b. 1906) and Bernard (b.1913). From the death records it looks as if Arthur and Bernard both died in their first year.

This does though leave us with a question. We also have a marriage of Arthur W. Hubberstey to Gladys Newman in Dec, 1919. Obviously it can not be the Arthur above, but I have not come across any other Arthur Hubbersteys. The only other possibility is that the "W" signals that perhaps his first name was William (and not Arthur) on the birth records.

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A roll forward of Hubberstey males under 40 at the 1901 census - Part 1

There were 46 Hubberstey males under 40 years of age at the time of the 1901 census. The names are presented in alphabetical order so it will be easier to trace back if you can connect to one of these names. Each entry starts with a line that includes the first name, place of residence (1901), birthplace, birth year, and lineage. For some individuals there is a fair bit of information, for others not much at all. This is an ongoing project that I will update until I am done.

Lineages are numbered as:

1. Samlesbury

2. Wirksworth

3. London

4. John Hubberstey/Isabella Waiton

5. John Hubberstey/Isabella Weaton

6. John Hubberstey and Anne Swarbrick

7. Whittingham (M) – Margaret Bamber

8. Whittingham (A) – Alice Bamber

Before getting into the names I should say that without census data for the time after 1901 there are elements of "guesswork" and "process of elimination" going on here. This is not going to be a 100% accurate process. So with that caveat, here goes:

Aloysius

Preston

Preston

1893

8

The only record for an Aloysius is a possible marriage in 1942, whereby he would have already been 49, so a bit doubtful, although this is not the most common of Hubberstey names.

Edgar

Blackpool

Blackburn

1888

6

We have an Edgar Hubberstey marrying an Alice Swarbrick 1n 1921 in Flyde. There are records for 2 children - John Richard (1921) and Phillip Gerrard (1923).

What is interesting here is the lineage. Edgar comes from the James Hubberstey/Anne Swarbrick lineage ... and his wife is Alice Swarbrick. It look like I may have to do some more digging to see if there is a deeper relationship here.

Another curious point is the use of Gerrard as a second name. Two other Hubberstey families also used Gerrard as a second name a bit earlier (1910 and 1914). I have not found any connection yet.

Edward

Preston

Preston

1883

5

Edwards married in Doncaster in 1905. From the 1911 census we have that he must have married Alice Shepherd. There are three children listed - Elsie b.1908, Henry b.1906 and Rose Alice b.1910.

Frederick

Burnley

Burnley

1875

1

Frederick

Preston

1880

5

This one is tricky. Only one Frederick Hubberstey shows up in the 1901 census, though in 1891 there were 2, both roughly the same age. It looks like one of them (ah but which one) married Amy Kenyon in Clitheroe 1907 and together had 4 children (Elizabeth b.1908, Richard b.1912, Amy b.1915, and Frederick b. 1918). The first child was born in Preston and the rest in Walton-le-dale.

Although Frederick in Burnley is the logical choice (Burnley is close to Clitheroe, and he was in the census), a case can be made for the missing Frederick as the first two children's names match exactly his parents' names. For now we will have to leave it open.

This is also interesting as it could relate to the photo on the bottom of the home page of this blog. In the picture, taken in the 1940's, is a Fred Hubberstey in Chorley. It very much looks like a Frederick Hubberstey (b.1918) or Frederick Hubberstey (b. 1912) married an Ivy Mary Pearce in 1940 and had at least three children - Frederick (b.1941 and likely the one in the photo), Stella Maria (b.1949) and David (b.1951). {Note for the Frederick Hubberstey B.1913 see John Hubberstey (b.1882) below}

Of course the fact that everyone in my family guessed the correct Hubberstey from the picture would seem to indicate that he was a close relation of my father or grandfather. For that to be the case Frederick would have to be the Frederick from Burnley. He would then be the grandson of John Hubberstey (b.1812). John's brother Thomas (b.1808) was my grandfather's great grandfather. Its pretty fascinating that a "look" would last so long.

Update: the 1911 census tells us that it was Frederick from Preston (b.1881) that married Amy Kenyon.

George Albert Jessop

North Wimbledon

Brackenfiled, Derby

1888

2

George Albert Jessop Cantrell-Hubbersty married Hilda St. M. Willoughby in 1913. He died in 1928, though Hilda seems to have remarried to a Rupert F. Riley in 1922.

Henry

1886

5

Henry married Elizabeth Alice Eastham in 1909 in Preston. I have found a record for a daughter Kathleen E, born 1912 in Burnley.

Henry Francis

St. Anne on the Sea

Haighton

1876

5

Henry Francis looks to have married Ann Kelly in 1910 in Flyde. There appears to have been one daughter, Margaret, born 1916 in Salford.

Hugh

Blackpool

Blackburn

1894

6

Hugh was the brother of Edgar above. I have not found any further records for him. Update: I have found a possible record. A Hugh Hubberstey married a Kathleen Harte in 1923 in Ecclesall Bierlow

Humphrey

Blackburn

Livesy

1892

1

Another confusing one. Humphrey is listed as the grandson of Mary Elizabeth Hubbersty, living in Livesy with her sons John, James and Thomas Grundy (and his wife Alice). My understanding is that Humphrey is not the son of Alice and Thomas G. Therefore it is likely that he was the son of Annie Hubberstey and Humphrey Waddington, and therefore would be more properly classified as Humphrey Waddington (not Hubberstey). At the time of the census, Annie and Humphrey Waddington Sr were living in Blackburn with their 6 other children.

Ignatius

Preston

Preston

1873

8

Ignatius married Susannah McNamara in 1895. They had a son Thomas in 1897. I have not found records for any more children.

Igoralius

1898

5

Even though the census record shows Igoralius Hubbersley, it's likely his real name was Ignatius Hubberstey. On the 1901 census Ignatius is listed as a grandson of the family head, Elizabeth. In the birth records, the mother's maiden name is listed as "Hubberstey", so it is possible that Ignatius was an illegitimate son of Rose Alice (who it appears later married a Thomas McCann in 1907), daughter of Elizabeth.

It appears that Ignatius Francis Hubberstey married Elsie Callan in 1924 in Warrington. If so, they look to have had 5 children.

James

Preston

Myerscough

1897

1

James was the son of James Hubberstey and Sara Booth Hubberstey. He married Anne Thurgood in London in 1920. They had a daughter Diana who married a Norman King around 1947 and emigrated to Australia.

James

Preston

1877

8

James married Elizabeth Webster in 1898 and had a son Thomas in 1902. James is our best candidate for the "James I. Hubberstey" that went to America. More on this post.

Jas thos

Preston

Preston

1878

5

James

Blackburn

Livesy

1881

1

Here is where the process of elimination comes in. In the 1901 census there were four "James Hubbersteys". One (above) we know married Anne Thurgood. Another married Elizabeth Webster. That leaves us with 2 James Hubbersteys and 2 more marriages. One James married Mary Calderbank in Preston in 1907. The other James married Beatrice Duckworth in Blackburn in 1906.

A first clue would be location. James (1881) was born in Blackburn, so a Blackburn marriage would make some sense. James Thomas (1878) was born and lived in Preston, so a Preston marriage would make some sense. Then we look at the name of the first child of Mary Calderbank, and it is Alice. Alice was the name of James Thomas' grandmother.

I can only find a record of one child for James and Beatrice. There was a John, born 1912. There may have been earlier children but some of the records before 1910 don't show the mother's maiden name.

James and Mary Calderbank look to have had at least 3 children; Alice (b.1908), Mary (b.1914), and James (b.1920).

The 1911 census tells us that James (b.1881) married Beatrice Duckworth. By 1911 they had a daughter Mary b. 1910

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